Curse

Crom The Pale · Jul 13, 2008, 11:38 AM // 11:38

While I would love to say I always stick to the high road and have been a perfect model of ethical purity its simply not the case.

While I have never actively gone out of my way to scam anyone I have on ocasion taken advantage of poorly informed players when it comes to selling/buying item in game.

I am not talking about selling a crafting item for the cost of an abrace, but I have made some deals that were very good to me, and to be fair probably a few that were very good to the other person.

I once saw a person selling a Max Crystaline Purple R12 in ascalon, he wanted 5K for it, so I bought it at that price even though I knew at that time it was worth 50-75K (I later sold it for 70K)

When GWEN came out(the preview) I sold a max Highlander Blade Gold R13 for close to 30K to a player that was dazled by the gold/max/skin and didnt notice the requirment till after the sale was complete.(I had mentioned the r13 in my WTS post but he must not have read it)

Anyone that claims to have perfect ethics/etiquette is most likely either lying or spends 90% of the time playing with H/H.

Can anyone really claim to have never posted a WTS with no fixed price waiting for someone to make a offer that was a little to high? Or pmed an offer that was a little to low for an item they were after?

Jenn · Jul 13, 2008, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?

Respect should be earned, not given.

I think ass-kissing, or a deep, profound admiration should be earned, but respect? I try to show respect to people unless they prove they don't deserve it, at which point I wouldn't say I disrespect them either (unless they've really earned it). I'm not talking about putting people on a pedestal in your mind when you meet them. I'm referring specifically to how you behave with people.

Zorian Direspell · Jul 13, 2008, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Ethics:
- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?

Scam? No.
- Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).
Yes and no. If a commodity is on the market for a low price, I'll buy it. I'll assume that someone is trying to move it quickly or doesn't really care for the commodity and would rather be rid of it than wait for a high buyer. I also won't misrepresent anything to an unknowing player. Moreover, if they really cared to maximize value, they would research it. If I'm asked what I think the price should be, I'll tell them and explain why. A scam in my opinion involves someone arguing that an item is worth more or less than someone lists while knowing that the justification is false. In short: I'll buy the cheap minipet off the newbie, but I won't lie about what it's worth or anything like that. On the other hand, if the player is clearly immature and very concerned but unsure of the proper price for the commodity, I won't just buy it off them at a bargain.
- Do some players "just have it coming?"
No.
- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?
Yes.
- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?
Comical. I like to laugh at people like that.
- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)
I have nothing against them myself except where they interfere with the game environment. I don't use any such programs myself.

Etiquette:
- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat?
Not unless everyone else is. See the current Z key mess at the Temple.
- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?
I don't take runs. Defeats the point.
- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything?
Not unless they're being rude or insulting. Sometimes not even then. And i would certainly say something.
- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?
No.
- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?
Yes, all of the above.
- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?
See: comical.

tasha · Jul 13, 2008, 12:24 PM // 12:24

Ethics:
- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?
No, I've hated it when its happened to me and I try to only do to others as I would want to have done to myself. Not always possible mind you

- Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).
Yes, a big one.
- Do some players "just have it coming?"
If you step on enough tails then you will get bitten. So yes
- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?
Yup, we share a communal space in the game.
- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?
Acceptable? Depends on context. To people I know yes because they will know that it is a joke. To randoms, never. Immature? Very

- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)
No.

Etiquette:
- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat? (wtb cloth x10 in 3 seconds)
No.
- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?
Haven't been in this situation for over a year (I tend to take the "if others can do it so can I" stance), but last time I did I paid full price. When I've run others "for tips", I've had stuff ranging from nothing to a shard for Ascalon -> Yaks when they were about 4k each.
- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything?
I don't leave until I have to, and never without saying anything.
- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?
Not if I can help it, sometimes rl happens
- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?
Almost all the time.
- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?
Its immature but fun to an extent, and a byproduct of a competative game.

So what do we "owe" to the other people in this game? What immature or asshole-ish things grind your nerves that other people do?
Respect that there are other real people in the game who don't always see things the same way you do. As for the annoying stuff, I'd say people who have already decided that since I'm a long time player, I have everything in the game and that I should give it all to them because they're new/I owe them in some way. Also leavers, leechers and flamers in RA. Not everyone is good at everything.

glacialphoenix · Jul 13, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

Ethics:
- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?

No.

- Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).
Yes, there is.

- Do some players "just have it coming?"
I don't think you can "just have it coming" when it comes to things like trading. In game and in missions, yes - if you keep leeroying and trash-talking when playing, you can bet nobody's going to like that - and if they leave, you had it coming.

- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?
Basic respect, yes.

- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?
Only if they're my friends and know I'm joking. Random players are so potentially volatile, so I never try that with them.

- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)
No.

Etiquette:
- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat? (wtb cloth x10 in 3 seconds)
No, no, and no. :P

- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?

I seldom get run, so I haven't been in that situation for quite a while (I paid full price for my CoF run though.)

- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything?

I leave only when I get thoroughly annoyed, and that's usually not without warning, because it tends to come alongside me getting snippy and shouting things like 'can't you guys PULL with a LONGBOW ffs?!'

- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?
Nope.

- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?
Thank you yes, gg only when it really is gg.

- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?
Immature and unbelievably so last time. Not necessary, but unfortunately unavoidable, because it's the 'net and there's always going to be the crowd that thinks trash talking is a fantastic way of showing off how leet they are.

So what do we "owe" to the other people in this game? What immature or asshole-ish things grind your nerves that other people do?
Basic respect. If you don't like something that someone says at first, tell them nicely, not flare up in local chat. And the one thing that really gets on my nerves is begging. It'd probably take you less time to go GET that 100g yourself than to sit in Ascalon/Kaineng waiting for some (increasingly less) kind soul to give it to you.

Lady Raenef · Jul 13, 2008, 12:54 PM // 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by masta_yoda

HA is fun and competitive sometimes, but if you cant take constructive criticism or harsh insults then its not the place for you

That's the exact type of arrogance that turns me away from that sort of thing. HA is for the stout and the stern. In reality, HA is for asses who take losing almost like a gun shot to the chest.

I also love how Zahr's post has a lot of links to his newly defended thread.

Shayne Hawke · Jul 13, 2008, 01:22 PM // 13:22

- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?
No.

- Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).
Yes.

- Do some players "just have it coming?"
Yes.

- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?
Everyone, always. The amount of respect can vary on how much respect they actually earn.

- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?
For no reason, no. If you can tell that someone is lacking in something, there should be nothing wrong with pointing it out.

- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)
No. Exploiting game mechanics is fine, but there's a fine line between "exploitation" and "hacking".

- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat? (wtb cloth x10 in 3 seconds)
No.

- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?
I tip what I feel is comfortable, which is how I expect people asking for tips to take it. If they wanted people to pay so much, they'd ask for a fee like most other people. If I don't feel like tipping, I probably won't take the run.

- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything?
I've usually voiced my opinions on why I'd leave, or it would be blatantly obvious first (I.e. runner leaves in middle of a run).

- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?
I go AFK for a little while in each if I need to, but I let my team know when I leave and when I get back, and I push myself to get back as fast as I can.

- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?
Can't remember the last time I've said "please". I give thanks after transactions, runs, etc. Most times I've said "GG" or the like is in a trash-talking sense, because I already feel like "GG" is an insult rather than good sportsmanship.

- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?
Necessary, no. Immature, possibly. There are finer details as to when and where you should trash-talk.

I've generally gotten more comments about having rude behavior rather than pleasing. I follow my own sense of what's right in the game, but that doesn't necessarily line up with many other people's ideas of how we should all treat each other.

lilraceangel3 · Jul 13, 2008, 01:30 PM // 13:30

I think its a shame we even have to talk about this. Most people on the game are decent people, trying to have fun and relax. Then you throw some 12 year old on a sugar high and power trip into the mix and the whole game, chat and all goes into the trash because they want to flame or spam or just be a general a$$hole. Even though we are "anonymous" and "virtual" we should still treat others with respect...as we expect to be treated. As for the scamming, trash talking, begging and the cheating, I think that should go without saying that both of these actions are NEVER ok or acceptable. Do we "owe" anyone in the game anything? No, but let's remember were all humans, we all have manners and brains, lets use them.

Avarre · Jul 13, 2008, 01:37 PM // 13:37

- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?
No.
- Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).
Yes.
- Do some players "just have it coming?"
Yes, to a point. Ganking a lame/irritating player out of Halls repeatedly is one thing, hacking their account is another.
- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?
No. Want respect, earn it.
- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?
Acceptable to a point. It depends on how you know that person and the setting. GvG taunting, for example.
- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)
None of these things actually have an effect on gameplay, so I couldn't care less whether your storage shows a bigger number or you have a better title. I'd applaud someone who wasn't dumb enough to stand around clicking a stack of alcohol manually. 3rd party methods that do affect gameplay are an entirely different matter. My answer would be different, for example, if gold gave you an advantage.

Etiquette:
- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat? (wtb cloth x10 in 3 seconds)
No.
- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?
No.
- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything?
No.
- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?
No.
- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?
Depends on who the match was against, and whether or not it was a good game.
- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?
Not necessary, but not inherently immature and a bad thing. It's part of most competitive atmospheres.

Kyomi Tachibana · Jul 13, 2008, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Quote:

Ethics:
- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?

Never.

Quote:

- Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).

I assume they want to sell it quickly, I for one under price things quite often as I don't want to spend an hour or two sitting in Kamadan D1 trying to squeeze out every last drop of gold out of that worthless Colossal Scimitar.

Quote:

- Do some players "just have it coming?"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Yes, to a point. Ganking a lame/irritating player out of Halls repeatedly is one thing, hacking their account is another.

Quote:

- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?

I show everyone respect until they've proven they don't deserve it.

Quote:

- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?

Belittling others outside of certain circles of friends is generally not okay. However with groups of close friends, it's just good fun.

Quote:

- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

None of these things actually have an effect on gameplay, so I couldn't care less whether your storage shows a bigger number or you have a better title. I'd applaud someone who wasn't dumb enough to stand around clicking a stack of alcohol manually. 3rd party methods that do affect gameplay are an entirely different matter. My answer would be different, for example, if gold gave you an advantage.

Quote:

Etiquette:
- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat? (wtb cloth x10 in 3 seconds)

Once every couple of minutes does the job just fine, although in trade chat, not in local.

Quote:

- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?

I always tip the the regular price, sometimes more, although I haven't gotten a CoF run in a long while, I've been running it for tips on my mesmer and the amount of people that don't even say thanks is quite appalling.

Quote:

- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything?

If I know I may be leaving during an activity, I will notify the group, if I have to leave during an outing suddenly, I will notify them, apologize, then leave.

Quote:

- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?

Unless you define leeching as being called away for something more important (real life) and not being able to get back right away, then yes. If not, no. Face it, real life is more important than a stupid game.
This is the only real thing that bugs me in Guild Wars, the amount of people that get so worked up about things popping up unexpectedly in real life and disrupting five minutes of their game time. Sorry, but the cats that may or may not be killing each other on my front porch are more important than finishing the CoF run, that you're not even going to pay for, quickly. *sorry about the little rant, was running for tips and some moron went off on me when I had to go break up a literal cat fight and make sure everyone was safe that took a whopping two minutes*

Quote:

- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?

Always.

Quote:

- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?

Immature, never necessary.

Selket · Jul 13, 2008, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Ethics:
- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?
No
- Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).
Yes
- Do some players "just have it coming?"
Yes
- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?
No
- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?
ur bad jenn
- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)
Kittens.

Etiquette:
- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat? (wtb cloth x10 in 3 seconds)
No
- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?
I don't tip, its a cheap shot at getting more money without raising the price of the run, its stupid and pathetic.
- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything?
Yes, my henchmen PM me and go Y UR LEAVE
- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?
Not really
- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?
Depends.
- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?
Trash talking is necessary, and the highest form of maturity.

romeus petrus · Jul 13, 2008, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Although I don't personally believe in th ename them, blame them, and shame them policy; I strongly believe in ethics in the game and would firmly discipline anyone in my guild who falls below common ethical standards or takes part in any scams.

Having said that I know for a fact that what is ethical for some may not be for others under false pretenses like "this is just a game".

Alex the Great · Jul 13, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

Ethics:
- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?
- Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).
- Do some players "just have it coming?"
- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?
- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?
- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)

Etiquette:
- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat? (wtb cloth x10 in 3 seconds)
- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?
- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything?
- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?
- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?
- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?

yes-very rarely
yes
yes
yes
yes
no
no
I did before when i was a noob
no
no
yes
Never start it, and be smart about it.

glacialphoenix · Jul 13, 2008, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

Face it, real life is more important than a stupid game. This is the only real thing that bugs me in Guild Wars, the amount of people that get so worked up about things popping up unexpectedly in real life and disrupting five minutes of their game time.

QFT.

I was in AB once when one of my teammates had to rush off to pacify her baby, who was crying, and said so in teamchat. One of the guys in the other teams actually said WTFH and wanted to report her for leeching, and was immediately told to shut up by seven fairly pissed off people.

Dante the Warlord · Jul 13, 2008, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Seriously, people who scam in GW scam in RL? Thats a lie right there since most people scam here because its a GAME. Its like scamming in monopoly, it has no meaning or correlation in RL since you don't face any consequences, people scam. And some people in the game who scam in real life don't scam in GW, there is never a correlation.

Now as for helping in real life, thats probably true since nice people are nice people, there is no changing that.

-Sonata- · Jul 13, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Ethics:
- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?

No.

- Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).

As far as I'm concerned, no, there is no difference, unless I'm not quite understanding the question. Taking advantage of someones ignorance to profit yourself financially, or otherwise, is still a scam.

- Do some players "just have it coming?"

Only in the most severe cases. Those who "hack", steal, and exploit have it coming. Those who use hate speech and abusive hate speech have it coming.

- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?

Yes. While the common answer is "Respect is earned", which is true, sometimes, given the situation, it's proper for you to show the repsect first in order to earn it in return.

- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?

Immature. Instead of belittling them, try working with them.

- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)

If you can't do it yourself, you're playing the wrong game.

Etiquette:
- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat? (wtb cloth x10 in 3 seconds)

No. I don't spam messages in any chat. Once is enough.

- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?

I don't get runs for CoF, or any other, so I can't answer this on experience.

- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything?

No. Through good, or bad, I stick with people to the bitter end. The only time I've ever left without saying a word has been due to having my wireless drop my connection. That's the part of technology I can't control and I do feel awful when it happens.

- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?

I don't leech. I've always been an advocate of getting my hands dirty and doing the work myself (and it should be noted, the term "work" is used loosely here as it is a game.)

- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?

Yes, I do.

- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?

95% of it is not very creative and been around since 1997. It's generally immature. Trash talking in good jest is fine though. Meaning those who do it with a bit of a smile, let you know they're only kidding, aren't abusive about it and at the end will say to you, "Good game" and strike up a convo with you later on.

Solas · Jul 13, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Ethics:
- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?
Guess pre seering would be a the best place for it, did it once or twice during my newb days have never done it since, help them now be more aware of prices.

- [I]Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).[/I]Depends where they are in the game really,

- Do some players "just have it coming?"
Yup,some people are just idiots
- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?i think so yeah. i try to anyway.

- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?
Smack talk is pretty effective tactic but if you need to use it i'd rethink how well a player you are.
As for people that diminish other peoples achievments (i.e. palyer one "Guys i just beat this mission/ Aquired this title!

" player 2 " lol thats easy to get/do"
seems kind of mean to take it away from them, but proberly don't intend on doing that.

- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)See it as a bit scummy for buying gold etc. really dont agree with bot macro-ing but anet made a huge mistake by making it minites drank

Etiquette:
- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat? (wtb cloth x10 in 3 seconds)Nope, just sned it about once every min or 2 and leave it in search while i go on the interwebz.

- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?I always try to be polite ingame , i;d try to tip a fair amount for the run.

- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything? I Don't really pug and in rare cases that i do i always make sure i have time to finish it

- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?
MAybe a handful of cases i did the odd semi afk thing, where i always did a nice share of capping but went afk for a min at most but nothing along the lines of full afk, never.

- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?Always say paease and thanks, if irealy think the game was good i'd say GG but normally i dont in Ra and HB

- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?Not necessary, Mind games are required for some people to win in the hope the opponant will slip up.
and Silly "noob toucher" commants are just ignored by me, seem immune to such silly comments though they rarly come my way.

luwe80 · Jul 13, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

"Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?"

I think you owe strangers a certain level of respect. You can't approach people like they have to prove something to you in order for you to be cool with them. I guess this is a bit about mnemonics. To me basic respect is just being polite and decent. You have to do that to everyone. Unless you know they don't even deserve that. I have a problem with the whole you have to earn my respect thing. Who the F are you?

"Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?
Everyone, always. The amount of respect can vary on how much respect they actually earn."
Exactly.

Also, trash talk can be fun and in good humour. You just have to know how to do it and not be an ass.

Crystal Lake · Jul 13, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

In general I make an effort to be friendly and helpful. I don't scam, but I've been scammed - when it happens to you it does spoil the game a bit for you in real life. Friendly and helpful people have made this game more enjoyable for me. I often answer the noob questions in towns and outposts because friendly people helped me when I first started and so I am passing it along.

I think of my 9 year old nephew who plays this game. You wouldn't have believed his build when I had him ping it to me. So people who laugh at the bad builds of others are probably just laughing at a child. When you scam someone you very likely scammed a child who could have used the in game money. I once had someone run my new character somewhere. The other person with us walked off without paying him - in talking to him I discovered he was very young and he had learned he could make some cash doing this. Though it's not a big deal I still felt bad someone scammed him.

This poll and those questions comes down to one thing. Some people think of the other person on the other end of the computer, and treat them the way they would like to be treated. It doesn't matter that they will never know one another. Others I hope, are not as callous to others in real life as they are to the anonymous players who play this game.

Cherng Butter · Jul 13, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Ethics:
- Is there a time and place to knowingly scam the unknowing or unprepared?
No, never.
- Is there a difference between taking advantage of someone's ignorance and scamming? (I.e. someone selling an item for significantly less than it's worth).
Yes. I won't lie if they ask me what the appropriate price is, but I'll take a good deal if I see one.
- Do some players "just have it coming?"
Depends on what you mean. Hacking or scamming are no-no's, but I suppose killing a griefer repeatedly can be fun
- Do you think people owe it to most other people to show them respect?
It's good to be nice.
- Is belittling others in the "spirit of the game" acceptable or immature?
Belittling, no, helping them get better, yes.
- Are third-party methods of getting ahead acceptable or fair? (I.e. buying gold, afk-macroing drinking)
I really could care less if you want to spend real money for ingame money.

Etiquette:
- Do you needlessly and repeatedly spam messages in local chat? (wtb cloth x10 in 3 seconds)
I don't use local chat for trade.
- If someone is doing a CoF (or other) run for tips, are you the type of person to not even say thanks, not tip, and just get your reward? Or sometimes worse, do you add insult to the injury and only tip a meagre 100 gold?
I always say thanks and tip.
- With little regard for the other people in a party, do you leave missions/quests/etc.? Without saying anything?
I usually do missions with my Alliance anyway, so no.
- Do you leech in PvP or PvE and just not give a damn?
I might have to leave halfway through an Alliance Battle and neglect to log off...
- Do you say please and thank you? Or GG?
Yes.
- Is trash talking necessary? Is it generally immature?
No. Yes.